Lee Elder

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  Thinking about the end of the Watchtower

  by JeffT in

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  first, a word about the watchtower’s financial position: nobody (outside the watchtower organization) knows.

  the wtbs is not required to disclose its finances, and doesn’t.

  we can speculate, but that is all we are doing.

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  Lee Elder

  There is always a market for desperate, gullible sheep.

  http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/national/biblical-prophecy-claims-the-world-will-end-on-sept-23-christian-numerologists-claim
  
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  My Story

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this is the first of a multi-part article that tells my story, and how ajwrb got started.. https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/saving-thousand-lives-year-reform-watchtowers-policy-blood-transfusions-part-one/.

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  Lee Elder

  Thank you UTC. So glad that things worked out for your daughter. Others have not been so lucky as you know.
  
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  My Story

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this is the first of a multi-part article that tells my story, and how ajwrb got started.. https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/saving-thousand-lives-year-reform-watchtowers-policy-blood-transfusions-part-one/.

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  Odd. Yes, point number one was that JW elders and HLC are generally regarded as clergy.
  
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  My Story

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this is the first of a multi-part article that tells my story, and how ajwrb got started.. https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/saving-thousand-lives-year-reform-watchtowers-policy-blood-transfusions-part-one/.

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  Lee Elder

  Elders and HLC gain access, in my view, for a couple of reasons:

  2. Most hospitals and administrators do not understand the level of undue influence.

  3. The JW patient has been indoctrinated to grant them access and do exactly what they are told to do or face very serious consequences.

  4. The JW patient is confused by the policy and needs these special "clergy" members to interpret WT policy.
  
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  My Story

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this is the first of a multi-part article that tells my story, and how ajwrb got started.. https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/saving-thousand-lives-year-reform-watchtowers-policy-blood-transfusions-part-one/.

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  Lee Elder

  I remember the talk. Such hubris and equivocation. I was baptized at the time, but just a kid.
  
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  My Story

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this is the first of a multi-part article that tells my story, and how ajwrb got started.. https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/saving-thousand-lives-year-reform-watchtowers-policy-blood-transfusions-part-one/.

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  Konceptual99: Yes - that mirrors my experience as well. We've had quite a few HLC members with AJWRB over the years. Getting ready to publish the story of one HLC coordinator in the near future. Always thought it was strange the way the WT talks about blood and conscience, and the need for the doctors to respect it. At the same time, very few of the friends understand all of the various blood products that are permitted. They will frequently say no until an HLC member comes along and says, "its ok - the WT says so". Then of course they routinely accept it. There is no respect for individual conscience in these matters. Just the requirement to comply with what you are told.
  
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  My Story

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this is the first of a multi-part article that tells my story, and how ajwrb got started.. https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/saving-thousand-lives-year-reform-watchtowers-policy-blood-transfusions-part-one/.

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  Londo111: Thanks for the quote. Do you happen to recall the year that is from? Was it the International convention in 1969?
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  My Story

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this is the first of a multi-part article that tells my story, and how ajwrb got started.. https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/saving-thousand-lives-year-reform-watchtowers-policy-blood-transfusions-part-one/.

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  Londo111: Very interesting. If I knew that, I had forgotten it. He seemed quite familiar with the Watchtower. Nice gentlemen on the phone. Clearly not fond of the JW's for obvious reasons I did not appreciate at the time.

  
  

  Slimboyfat: I am technically still anonymous. I was interviewed for a documentary back in March in which I used my real name. At this point, its not really a big deal anymore. Seems like you might have mentioned that story to me before? Remind me how the person conducting the meeting for field service knew me?

  
  

  doubtful1799: Sure I will post a link here when its published.
  
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  My Story

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this is the first of a multi-part article that tells my story, and how ajwrb got started.. https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/saving-thousand-lives-year-reform-watchtowers-policy-blood-transfusions-part-one/.

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  Yes John Dart's comments (LA Time Religion Editor) blew me away. I think even Ray Franz was surprised by it despite his experiences, and being out for 18 years by that point. JW's are pretty naive in that regard. Who wants to believe that "mother" is a liar, and can't be trusted? They do business like most corporations do business, perhaps with less ethics than typical. Very disillusioning to come to that realization.
  
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  My Story

  by Lee Elder in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  this is the first of a multi-part article that tells my story, and how ajwrb got started.. https://www.openmindsfoundation.org/saving-thousand-lives-year-reform-watchtowers-policy-blood-transfusions-part-one/.

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  Lee Elder

  Your very welcome Faded.